Long range eliminations tend to be how I foil most of the cappers I kill. Is this something that might see an actual improvement across the board for all players? Of course it does, but this is not the argument here. India. As the matter relates to teams' statuses and ticket bleed, the capture point's alignment once captured is ended from the moment it is captured until the moment that hold on it is broken or the game ends. And the T30 which has a 30 second reload on a 200mm round penetration is sad to say the least and in my opinion off that its worthy if 6.3 due to that fact but thats a different discussion. This is a subreddit for War Thunder, a cross platform vehicular combat MMO developed by Gaijin Entertainment for Microsoft Windows, macOS, Linux, PlayStation 4, PlayStation 5, Xbox One and Xbox Series X|S. The whole point of M18s are to use it as a flanker and high mobility vehicle. If it's perfectly fine as a comparison, then why is CQC fighting the rulewhen GJ is designing maps,while we clearly can make it a more interesting battle if every nation can face their strengths and shortcomings on the battlefield. Contrary to popular belief there is more then one way to exploit this knowledge. For anyone who has ever played War Thunder and certainly for those who have perused the forums, the line Germany suffers! is probably something youve heard before. Walter Dorn. 'German players' are not somehomogenous group, clearly people play different nations. You can go through things but often times you die. Uptier your Panthers that can't even penetrate the side of the T__ turret? If you liked it, feel free to sub. FW 190's can go for air targets and ordnance is sufficient to bomb a tank and strafe lights. The Panther, by contrast, is reasonably quick for a medium tank, retains decent armor and is vastly better armed. The m41 is a welcomed addition. Because heat rounds don't care about armor. That's your personal preference. An uptier will barely affect the performance of an M18. The Germany newbies will complain that their chosen tank sucks and the Germany veterans are in their meta premiums taking out entire enemy teams. Now, lets address the imagined problems of Germany so that the real ones can be identified and addressed! Making it for the M18 much easier to make assumptions about the position of the Panther than vice versa. Hardly an advantage. So in short up until br 6.7 theres nothing much. As someone who has played all nations, I have had the opportunity to play with and against German tanks. Also .50 cals have too much pen, loosing light tanks and all sorts of AA vehicles to those is no fun, especially if other nation just have to rely on their main guns. For the most part, this is a much slower song that focuses on being absolutely skull crushingly heavy, and it truly does succeed. Yes but this is should be fixed for once and for all. Once he has spotted you, you are basically dead. Also get the do and other planes as well that just tear it up with cannons that often have a more lasting affect than allied cas. In an uptier when being met by a T54. that's it. Its an endless cycle so you better get used to it. its a combo of bad general movility (its not only foward speed its also traverse speed and reverse speed) and bad gun handling (turret traverse speed and gun elevation speed) mixed with a terrible map design that make the game some kind ofcall of duty playstyle. Objectives are death traps usually placed in a way that does favour German CATs, but you know that quite well. 1. ronica blake. that I won't be able to catch if I miss (only to in best case scenario get about 2k sl from the kill)? Sidenote: chuckling at all the silly "confused" reactions haters are giving. Not being able to be constructive in any way seems key to yourself. While it is true that many people, with all sorts of involvement in other trees, play Germany it is also true that many of the people who play the German tree only play the German tech tree. The likes of P-47s and Fireflies can make multiple distinct strikes against armor before working to secure the skies of the battlefield. All trademarks, logos and brand names are the property of their respective owners. The Tiger I is hard to play and inferior to the Panther! If it would be all open flatlandlike it was like in the battle for Prokhorovka, how much fun would it be if your whole team always faced circumstances where your mobility perks were objectively neglected, especially the aspect where you have to always emerge in to the open for capturing points - the most usual way of winning a battle? This and the blinding factor is a massive inbalance. There's also the issue of the T__ having 6 crew all very well spaced apart, so if by some miracle I get lucky enough to do damage the T__ will just reverse away at high speed and repair. 1. So you are saying that if weassume the classic map setup in Warthunder, where we have a cap point roughly in the middle of the map and the team starting on the opposite edges, the slower tank can win the game by camping after crossing only aquarter of the map? The Arado B-2 has a great flight model, very maneuverable and easy to pull up out of a dive attack. I haven't had a single game with Germany either on the same or enemy team without there being a single puma. Oh definitely trade-offs are to be expected. Maps in air battles are sometimes given to br.s that have no way of properly using them (I hear top jets get tiny maps sometimes) and low speed props get huge maps sometimes (even in jets some of the maps make no sense, why would I fly an Me262 for ten minutes to stress out about my 2 sec window to hit an a.i. Thats why you will often see lack of initiative and decisiveness on German teams. You can pen various parts of the of them and can with apcr. When you do see them, they won't make up 100% of the team composition and they won't even make up 100% of the UK composition since there is a chance for there to be Charioteers and Cent Mk 1s to be thrown into the mix. 4. The Ju-288C is breaking the super prop part of the game, what solutions are likely to be tried to solve this issue (I understand if you can't really answer this one)? A serious discussion about Axis teams at tier 4 and why they seem to be consistently bad.PLAY WAR THUNDER FOR FREE AND GET 50GE FOR FREE: http://warthunder.. With a fast tank it is easier to get to places and to take advantageous positions. As a seasoned German player, I can tell you their firepower is at least as valuable as the Allies' speed. I wrote Panther II and T-44-100, which are the medium tanks of BR 6.7-7.0, actual competitors to the Cent 3. On 13/02/2020 at 09:16, watch_your_fire said: On 13/02/2020 at 00:46, AnimeThighs said: On 13/02/2020 at 10:33, WilderHans said: On 15/02/2020 at 09:37, Inflatable_CampR said: Addressing Germany's real problems: finding the truth behind "Germany suffers! It's obvious which has the better hull where as its obvious who has the better turret. Get comfy and ambush them,you said it yourself he has five options give him a sixth one he forgot, two places they'll never look behind themselves or above themselves or I guess threeif you count beingfar away. They usually tend to be just as useless as those M22s too. The only real difference between the 2 is the people playing them. Germany has so many vehicles that some are clunkers and others are very OP. His vocals stand in contrast with the somewhat polished production. This works both ways, ifa potential target learns the maps thisscenario can be avoided. Nobody likes uptiers and Germans are no exception--but theyre not suffering any more than anyone else. It's best to make do with what you have at the moment plus its amusing flanking with big bulky vehicles. Which he can only do if he knows where you are, you can't flank what you can't see now can you. Bouncing for when we are talking about the gun of Hellcat (especially the 90mm), Marder and Archer. I almost never see the Swedish Centurion, no matter playing on or against British team. To say that Germany suffers over this is wrong. Not possible. Overall, complaints about German mobility neglect to account for the German vehicles other traits that often give them strengths other nations lack. Relative merit is in play here. What is the Caernarvon? All of these things are important, with at least one being exceptional for a vehicle to be any good generally. Useful on certain maps. The argument is that a more mobile tank has the better "tools", traits call it however you want to exploit this knowledge. And the stock ammo of the german M48A2C is the same as the US/Chinese M48A1, but somehow the US/Chinese M48A1 is at a higher BR. The only way the Germans can use their strengths to dominate such maps is with good teamplay. Done. The AR with no armor, lackluster speed, no guns, or perhaps the TA which can only do bomber hunting and perhaps a few light vehicles however with limited ammo and frail frame it will get eaten by .50 CAL You can check the loadout options, you either have to pick a fighter, bomber or an attacker, there are no multi task missile and bomb armed super props that can wreck havoc on the ground and then dominate the sky. interactions? Mobility is the aspect that most German vehicles are less focused on than their peers, but this is made up for by the Germans better firepower/armor than their peers. That vehicle is more treating. When I review the player profiles of those in the matches I am in, I commonly find such single nation players are the ones who struggle the most. yes in the real world and on paper, but in a game where you play the same maps over and over again and know all the ways hideouts. You have the turret, lfp, and anywhere on the hull as long as you don't hit the tracks. Nah, Freeaboos bash on Germany when its day in Murica and Wheraboos say Deutschland suffers when its day in Yurop (although the Wheraboos are mostly on the Forums and not on Reddit so you don't see Wheraboo posts often) . And if you talking about the swingfire it's not a good vehicle. -ifa potential target learns the maps thisscenario can be avoided, - If the slow tank manages to guess the attack strategy of the faster tank he can setup and counter-ambush, - if there is position that overlooks the entire cap point and if you can reach it fast enough (so should be on your half of the map), - if you take your time to get to the cap point and the M18 doesn't use this time to simply cap. Recently I got the MiG 19s and its just been soul draining bad because off missile spamming and almost constant uptears, so I try to go back to the MiG 15 and G.91 but they experience a similar problem. As if the game and the race to the capture point ends the moment they get to it and then it just sits there waiting for the Panther to roll in. It requires however quite some skill to shoot targets in RB from a far and you still lose if noone caps. If your going to pull the hvars are the best thing out their it shows how little you know. It is a medium tank like the Panther II or T-44. But the T34doesn't wreck anymore havok than a Tiger 2 h 10.5 does. encyclopedia. Penetration analysis is bugged with AP and APDS. What do you expect? All trademarks, logos and brand names are the property of their respective owners. I am obviously a bit salty though, I've played basically every nation in WT except the USA so maybe I'm a bit biased. The Tiger II Sla.16 is the one outlier in Germany 6.7. Most american team comps I see are at least 80% heavy tanks but they get away with it because their heavies can actually reliably bounce shots. In an one on one battle with one cap point andrough, uneven terrain you will lose against the M18 in your panther 8 out of 10 times. And im asking how your angling it. Download Free PDF View PDF. And I've had 90mm HEAT non-pen on the tracks of a T34. In a 1 on 1 I would just throw a dice and pick one possible option hoping that he will appear there? Same procedure as with Panthers. Ugh. Not meta. Sohow exactly do I do that? If we're going to go with just the general platitudes then it's kind of a boring discussion that you would clearly be winning if we don't take a deeper look at the issues with German mobility other than "keeping pace", whatever that means. NO 4.3 FRENCH TANKS? I take the 110G into every BR range before radar SPAA. Now the GER 6.7 lineup is missing a proper medium to counter some of the russian meds. War Thunder trading. The blinding effect happens but its not as bad as your saying it is. The M18's like any vehicle that doesn't get shot. As for the Bf 110G, it is superb--it's only fault is that it's ranked as a Tier II rather than a Tier III. That jump is massive and not only deprives the player of the relevant experience they'd get in that 2.3 BRs of progression but also of the lineup for support they'd have if they had the stuff from the BRs in between, As with other nations, one death leavers are a problem for Germany. I've been playing the Su-100P lately (pretty underrated, but could still use a lower BR to match the regular Su-100) and it baffles me how many pumas I am seeing from 5.7-7.7. Personally, I'd rather be able to harm an enemy frontally than a bit faster than him but forced to flank. The rest including pz iv and pz 3 is pretty balanced in my opinion. (and enjoy the performance of APCR). . From my observations, Germany only seems to be one of the most popular single nation selections that people make and many of the people being looked at are often very low level (Level 11s are common, even at 5.X). To believe that mobility is the only thing matters is to ignore almost everything that matters in a match. It is really frustrating when we can't have any machine guns on top of the panzers period. This can be minimized if you slow down first (knowing there is an enemy out there). The most obvious example of this is that a player can jump directly from the Panzer IIIs at 3.0 to the Tiger H1 at 5.3. It's not pleasant to head into an area that's being directly contested, but if you want to win that's how you do it. (If you can tell us, ofc I understand you might not be able to.) People like to complain about the cause being UK 6.7, but tanks like the Panther II have almost double the games than any of the UK tanks. Powered by Invision Community, Addressing Germany's real problems: finding the truth behind "Germany suffers!". I am sure that these questions are on many peoples' minds and you are asked at least some of these questions often. But you can reach it fast enough as it'll be on your quarter of the map, the faster tank is the one whoneeds the half map. You can't aim when they shot in your direction. ", Road Cycling, Scale Modeling, RC Tank, Military History. Stop placing artificial nerfs on German vehicles and weapons; Mk 103s should have the same accuracy as allied autocannons, Panther APCR should have the historical ~260mm of pen instead of the laughable 228mm of pen in-game, and so on. Well one or two not that much but a bit more and flying becomes more problematic. do we not have a tank yet? Anything that doesn't fit your narrative: step forward progressively. Penetration isn't everything and it's wrong to assume that a heavy tank should be mostly immune to everything they face of similiar or lower BR. Hard cover will always be superior to armor in WT. Which also has bombs as well. About Press Copyright Contact us Creators Advertise Developers Terms Privacy Policy & Safety How YouTube works Test new features Press Copyright Contact us Creators . the Jumboturret. By The Panther by contrasthave close to no reverse. "situational" any map with a rock, wall, or building allows you to take advantage of the stabilizer. The reverse speeds of all of these tanks mean you must step forward progressively, rather than figuring on advancing and reversing on a whim with them as you would with others. FRENCH ATGMS ARE NON-EXISTENT. And that is harder than the relatively obvious strategies for Soviet and American vehicles, especially when the allies can grab the objectives AND the flanks and wait until they win by ticket bleed. I will keep the scope of this topic to relate to BRs 1.0 to 7.0 in RB, with the primary emphasis being on 4.X-5.X. The issue is that T__ are better than every heavy in game all the way up until the IS-3, and their BR should reflect that. I think that is what contributes in combination with what you mentioned for the low WR of Germans at the 5.7-6.7 BR range. Also, most capture points are arranged such to allow for substantial firing work into/out of them from such ranges. By and large, Germanys main strength is firepower with armor being the secondary asset. I'm also fine with the T30 at 6.7 since it has such a long reload, but the T34 really ought to be 7.0 just because of how ridiculous it is against 5.7s in a downtier. I don't think the hull of the king tiger is worse, it's obviously better, I'm just saying it's not better by a huge margin. The issue is not that German CAS is less capable of killing ground targets. While mobility has it's place, it's only one of the triad of armament, armor and mobility. There is a great deal of difference in comparing the significance of gun handling of two medium tanks and that of a lightweight TD and a heavyweight medium tank. I bought the premium centurion to grind britain and rarely had this problem. The Panthers' reverse situation is one that's not terribly extraordinary because poor reverse speed is a commonplace of many tanks--particularly those of the British. You have to angleit correctly to make it work. And I've never lost my barrel to 50s ever in all the time I've played German tanks. Furthermore, using simple math, after 2 Minutes the number of places where the M18 could be is much bigger than the number of places where the Panther could be. For the record, I am always sporting a tank only line-up in ground battles, I just hate planes and helis in ground battles. In Panther? Just look at the Tiger 1H how many Heavy Tanks at 5.3 can roll up to 45 almost 50Km/h. Germany should rely on armor but more often than not it is countered with vehicles that can lol pen. You don't need to win the match in the first 5 minutes of the game, late games are a thing. Eh, the significance of this is overstated. And their armor won't save them. Jagdtiger? As a mainly (90% of battles or more) German player I have to debunk one thing. Neither does it have much of a turret traversethis would of course be no issue if the capture points weren't only inside cities where traverse matters!). they're glass cannons. Also the air tech tree actually is borderline OP too. With a few more wins per hundred matches, they'd be at that point. Only switch to the 3rd auto gear if going down hills and on flat roads. Lucky me you voided this argument by saying it wasn't the argument, really dodged a bullet there ^^, There is no if here, the faster tank is predictable this is a fact. One thing to mention is that german 6.7 is actually really good against soviet 6.7, it's the stabilized brit APDS ATGM throwers and impenetrable american T__ heavy tanks that really hurt. That ammo should not be stock! But like I've said, this is not an issue affecting only Germany. To say that . With no premiums in the medium br.s it is difficult to break even. And if he turns it to the side literally shoot the huge side of the turret that will be exposed. You can use it, for the Tiger I lovers the way to go. More to the point, your initial comment is THE biggest disconnect from reality that I've read in LONG time. The T-72 is mediocre in forward mobility, and has a painful -4kph reverse. This is of course a burden if you're in a CQC situation where the APDS will easily pen your frontal armor. Pretty unfair that almost all US tanks have those AA HMGs. AMX-13 GETS UPTIERED 6.7? They can both all go through the Centurion mantlet with ease. I'll have to talk about CAS soon I suppose. pzkpfw ii ausf l luchs 37mm war thunder official forum. King tiger turret is just a big flat sheet of 185mm armor. Slow speed handling of the Panther is also very bad, making it a bad brawler in CQC situations where you most likely would have to turn with the traverse to get on target in that tank. It kind of creates this all-or-nothing theme, which is kind of sad if we're trying to have a serious discussion here. It should be 6.7 or 7.0 at best. Besides, Panther II mounts the long 88 so T__ tanks still can and will bounce it with ease. Seems many new players fell to this trap. there are people who will likely attack you for not buying into the Germany suffers claims. Centurions have a 2-plane stabilizer that for some reason acts like it's from 2020, which lets you use hard cover or play behind a hill, only popping your turret out briefly to take easy shots. Kingtigers are best tanks for german tree even if it has nerf. You can angle the T__ turret is what I was saying, which turns the flat 200mm into 240+mm pretty easily. It works wonders unless you have to make a regressive retreat. FInally we can do much more than to just get flanked. Frontally there are no easy weakspots. The T34 where as it has more penetration it has a longer reload and solid shot which recently seems to have suffered a reduced damage output off it round. Not to mention Algy's unclean, raw and charismatic voice. With a few more wins per hundred matches, they'd be. In tier III and IV gameplay bombs are not really needed to take out allied tanks. Ok, so you don't agree that it is easier to flank with small and fast vehicles? There's only one brit 6.7 with atgms, but theres like 5 total with stabs and apds, Also no, the long 88 does not go through T__ tanks with ease, you have to shoot for weakspots which is quite difficultif the enemy is moving or at long range. Germany has a P-47 that lacks bombs and rockets, which means it is not burdened by those as distractions or dead weight in the case of opposing fighters. Oh and by the way, many people do drive BT5s and M18 on high tiers because they are freaking fast and their guns can pen flanks of more modern tanks. 1. jagdtiger having stupidly high Br at 7.3 arcade. Which means all you need to do is spot him first, then he's basically done for. The second was the Persian Gulf War era Challenger 1, which was the British army's main battle tank (MBT) from the early 1980s to the mid-1990s. And T are not impenetrable unless you're downtiered and there are spots you can go througg although theybare easily covered up. Considering Im an experienced player who has done quite well in some Germany tanks that have been thoroughly derided, Id lean towards saying youre justwrong. Its not like I am proposing to ram the enemy. Tried to flank with the Tortoise? Example, an M18 is freaking fast compared to a Panther or any other German Tank of that tier. Meanwhile, what is expected of the high skill T__ player? With things as they are with just a little more zeal in pursuing the objectives, Germany would do just fine. Russians are a mixed bag but to Kill an IS6 or IS3 is usually a combination of skill and luck as they are mostly immune to the long 88. And that goes for anyone regardless of nation. And it is this knowledge that will the panther driver often stop from advancing beyond certain points on the map, because he thinks: " There is probably a M18 on the enemy team and based on my experience and knowledge of the map I know that beyong this point there is a high chance that the M18 is somewhere on the edge of the map behind a hill and is waiting till I leave my cover. If you spot him first and don't manage to kill him with the first spot you are dead even if he can't pen you from the front. Thus, links were forged between the crime of public nuisance and the tort of private nuisance at an early stage in the development of the common law. Isn't it a bit dishonest to completely "forget" to bring out the more negative aspects of the panther? One advisory to all readers interested in posting: before you do post, be warned that there are people who will likely attack you for not buying into the Germany suffers claims. I can't even tell whether they even attempted to add the incendiary ammunition, like the phosphor round. Ammo rack closest in the hull so you'd just one bang it. 'German players' are not somehomogenous group, clearly people play different nations. #warthunder #warthundermemes #warthunderfunny #warthunderclipsTwitch: Twitch.t. Well technically everyone suffers but you would have clicked on this otherwise. All trademarks, logos and brand names are the property of their respective owners. Especially for such high brs. Apds isn't guaranteed damage actually put rounds through things and have done no damage on many occasions. Still more enjoyable than japanese start off. 4. Then yes, M18 would be toast. The best editions of doctor oz supplement pills for ed Florus are Duker s, 2 vols. I agree though that the lines should be redone, but not only for Germany but for all the nations. What plans do you have to try and tackle this issue? Any player should understand that, especially new players! I like Wallonia, I hate Kursk. (small note, i forgot the T__ has cast armor, it's frontal protection is actually 190mm at it's weakest. #warthunder #shorthunder Hey! That being said I wanted to ask them to get answers, because for me it is important. Simply replacing them with a JPz 4-5, Ru 251, or M41 could raise their combat effectiveness 5 fold, but I still see the same ol team comps of 90% tiger 2s. I am losing a little over half my team (if my team is made up of mainly germans, which it generally is, otherwise about a quarter leave) before the 3 minute . He can easily continue flank and pen King Tigers from the side. The merits of ground vehicles rely on the triad--armor, firepower and mobility. They've been in the game for years so to state that they've dropped off the face of the earth is anything but true. What? Interesting thing about predicting the predictable itshighly accurate. While I played my Germans at 5.7, uptiers beyond 6.0 were very rare. I like Abandoned Factory, I think Middle East is trash. But he still requires to go through your turret so mixing it up and not sitting is what's the best option to proceed at those ranges. I'd love to hear an in depth explanation of why you think that. It bounces off and does little or no damage when pens. In this video, I and a couple of friends play one of the best lineups in the game.#warthunder #germany #friends So again, on the standard map with cap in the middle the Panther will usually be the last to arrive at the cap. 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