Maybe his intent is to buy some land with it, like Tom Selgas did. Tangible personal property - that is, property (other than land or buildings) that you can see or touch - is a special asset class in many estates. After working through the tax savings below, it becomes apparent that Mr. Franklins net cost is about 70 cents on the dollar. We have a basis of 12 cents and a value of 15 cents. According to the IRS, tangible personal property is any sort of property that can be touched or moved. Coins kept in collection fashion (coin holders, and so on) as opposed to coffee cans full of coins, piggy banks, etc. If we treat as regular personalty, we have the related use problem. This compensation may impact how and where listings appear. For example, is a collection of gold Krugerrand coins considered cash ortangible personal property? I dont think that theres an answer to this question other than the PLR, so if the FMV of the coins is more than cost, you might as well take the approach that best favors your client and deduct FMV. After all, that's what most people do when they write checks to charitable organizations. Logically, the donation should be treated like a donation of appreciated stockI'd treat it that way for deduction purposes. You know, an actual ruling - or case - involving U.S. legal tender gold coins given as a donation. The principal difference between LPP and other personal use properties is that LPP usually increases in value over time. 42-5061. Tangible personal property is a tax term describing personal property that can be physically relocated, such as furniture and office equipment. You sell a dime for more than 10 cents you will be taxed at collectible rates. I donate it to charity, I have no gain to report. I'm also smart enough to know that the IRS might very well take your position on the matter, with respect to newly minted American Gold Eagles. However, certain types require special attention because of laws regulating their ownership, registration, and possession: Firearms Alcohol Ivory, furs, and other artifacts made from endangered species On the realization front, which would include 1031 in my view, Section 61 is broad and easy. I think that's a more complete scenario. the list goes on. Own gold bullion. They are probably the bullion coins authorized by Reagan. are gold coins considered tangible personal property. 69-63 When boats or cars are still subject to a lien, these items will need to be sold in order for the title to be transferred out of the decedents name. I researched this some and could not find a definite answer. All personal property located in residence. http://www.pgdc.com/pgdc/tangible-personal-property. Tangible personal property taxes are typically assessed at the state level, though they may be dictated by county, city or local municipality. And note, the RR *didn't* say, "the coins can be felt and touched, so they are tangible personalty property.". And, I've already told you what I think about your gift and estate tax references. Still, its nice to see the ludicrous nature off my example woke you up. (L22, Ch. Rul. [citation needed]In English law and some Commonwealth legal systems, items of tangible property are referred to as choses in possession (or a chose in possession in the singular). An article written by someone isnt guidance; its someones opinion. Proper registration can require the new owner to obtain signature of chief law enforcement officers. The asset appraiser will assess the current condition of the assets, including the degree of obsolescence and level of wear and tear. We'd like to know about Section 170. Actually, the law isn't written, because money isn't defined anywhere. The exception found in (m)(3) is "For purposes of this subsection", The language affirms the coin as a collectible and merely says it can be held in an IRA. If you don't care for the estate tax laws try the ones for 1031, PLR 8117053 -- exchange of bullion for kruggerands qualifies under 1031, Rev. If that is not a practical option, registered U.S. Mail is commonly used (FedEx and UPS will not ship gold). Tangible personal property represents anything that may be used like a desk, bed, lamps, or other furnishing for a rented home or business. It also has securities that can be converted easily into cash. I guess we could say since OP's coins *aren't* all that, then OP's coins are not tangible personalty, for Section 170 purposes, per that RR. To avoid any confusion as to what a person considers to be the tangible personal property a Will should include its own definition of that term and specifically carve out of that definition any items that the person may want to leave specifically to one or more persons, or perhaps fall in the typically larger rest and residue provision of the Will. She lives with her family in Campbell, California. With the gold market perhaps beyond its peak and ever volatile, some of these donors may be ready to put the value of their gold to good use by making a charitable gift. But that's only because the cases didn't need to. For reference, the unfavorable tax treatment can be found in. There is little doubt that gifts of gold bullion or of shares in a gold bullion ETF are gifts of tangible personal property. Think about it. Foreign currency is not "money". Tangible personal property tax is paid by a landlord or company to its local government, but landlords or company owners can claim a deduction on federal income tax returns. If your point is that the ruling is totally on point, to newly minted coins, and therefore, should be extended to newly minted coins, yet doesn't contemplate newly minted coins because there were no newly minted coins in existence at the time of the Ruling, then it's a safe bet the Ruling doesn't draw a conclusion on newly minted coins that are legal tenderbut only on "rare" coins that existed at the time of the Ruling and that were the subject of the Ruling. If I do work for a client and get paid with a Koala Bear, a car, gold coins, a piano, a house, a computer, or whatever, it's taxable. Rul. If I'm right on the ITC, and I'm not saying I am, it's another example of guidance not contemplating a new asset class. Appraisal Method. Therefore, pursuant to the rationale of Rev. Own shares in a gold mining company or in an Exchange-Traded Fund (ETF) that invests in gold mining companies. In addition, Dave was speaking to DAJ's comment, which immediately preceding his: I had found a few of the articles linked herein. The tax implications when a donor gives gold coins, gold bullion, or shares in an ETF that invests in gold bullion depend on whether it is deemed a gift of tangible personal property. Art, valuable collections, pianos and other fragile items, are expensive to insure and to ship. The rules and laws pertaining to the possession and transfer of Asian Ivory is detailed and complex. Of course, the word "money" isn't defined in the Tax CodeI made that point too, Dennis, but maybe you missed it. The value of tangible personal property may range from very nominal value e.g., old pots and pans to considerable value, for example, art, stamps and coins, gold bullion and gold and silver bars. Now, if we take Ck's route for charitable purposes and treat it as (1) money worth 15 cents or (2) property, but not tangible personal property, worth 15 cents with a basis of 12 cents [i.e. An official website of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts, This page, Letter Ruling 83-28: Gold Coins, is. Tangible personal property includes items such as vehicles, antiques, silver, artwork, collectibles, furniture, machinery, and equipment. Be glad too. Dennis' points are taken, and again, he might very well win this one. Thank you all for the input! Reg. They have value only because of their gold content. All investing involves risk, including loss of principal. Thanks in advance for your help! Most business owners will need to disclose the property they hold such as machinery, inventory, office furniture and more as well as the year it was purchased. 2008). You keep ignoring your own 408 citation. Reg. There is tangible personal property which would include cars, household goods, personal effects, guns, coin collections etc. 82-96 -- exchange of bullion for Canadian Maple Leafs qualifies. To claim the deduction, the tax must only apply to personal property owned and bought for the business operation, be based on its fair market value, and be charged on an annual basis (as opposed to a one-time basis). The charitable deduction is computed using Decembers 1.6% IRS discount rate. Ok, Dennis. Investments in gold can take a number forms, all of them readily marketable. Totally agree. Precious metals like gold, silver, or platinum, are another example of tangible assets. Chris already brought this up, more or less, but I ask: What if Chris paid 15 cents for the aforementioned dime? But I think everyone is laughing at you. (Note that gain reported under the four-tier system for taxing unitrust payments will be taxed at 28% until all gain attributable to the bullion has been distributed). Bonus depreciation is a tax break that allows businesses to immediately deduct a large percentage, currently 100%, of the purchase price of eligible assets. Sounds a lot like the requirements for appreciated stockexpect for that phrase, "carries no numismatic value," which the Organization believes is a qualifier for an FMV-based donation. ) or https:// means youve safely connected to the official website. Based on the foregoing, it is ruled that sales of gold coins, such as Krugerrands and Maple Leafs, the value of which depends upon their gold content, are sales of tangible personal property rather than exchanges of currency. My writing gets easier, as you dig yourself into a deeper hole. The Will may also provide for equalizing distributions of cash from the estate so that if one beneficiary receives the decedents expensive jewelry or a vehicle, the other beneficiaries could receive cash from the estate so that each beneficiary inherits equally. Exactly how the law is written. You talk about the ruling predating and somehow can't recognize the extension and why it still applies. Assets like property, plant, and equipment, are tangible assets. 1. c 64I, 2). Outright gift of gold bullion contact the Massachusetts Department of Revenue. Part of it, I think, is the fact that the U.S. had been out of the gold minting business for quite some time before Reagan. Sure would be nice, by the way,if you could find some kind of opinion supporting the logic of the PLR. You're awesome! He even wrote an article on it about a year ago, give or take. He offers no evidence to support this position and apparently he seems to think that OP should be comfortable walking into Tax Court with nothing but the language of the PLR. The central question here is whether American Eagle gold bullion coins, having no numismatic value, donated to a charity, are tangible personal property for purposes of IRC 170(e)(1)(B) that limits the charitable contribution deduction to the donors cost basis. The stock certificate evidences the Company you own. The article had nothing to do with OP's question about Sec 170. Held, since the collection of rare coins was not held primarily as a medium of exchange but instead has acquired added value as collector's items, the collection is tangible personal property for purposes of section 170(f) of the Code, OP's coins, as OP states, had no numismatic value. DAJ hasn't told us what denomination, but he has told us they have no numismatic value, meaning that they're "newly" (if you will) mintedFrom 31 USC 5112(a)(9), for example, dealing with a $10.00 American Eagle: A ten dollar gold coin that is 22.0 millimeters in diameter, weighs 8.483 grams, and contains one-fourth troy ounce of fine gold. Ckenefick and Dennis, watching you debate over this is certainly entertaining, but I dont think its been very helpful to the OP. 82-96 -- exchange of bullion for Canadian Maple Leafs qualifies, But then, when you agreed with Fogel you didn't seem to notice that he dismissed all of your positions as irrelevant, "Because the Canadian Maple Leaf gold coins are bought and sold for their gold content, they are bullion type coins. Special valuation of a wine collection or alcohol by other spirits may require the use of a qualified appraiser. Couldn't have anything to do with recognition of the fact that it's tangible personal property, could it? This page is located more than 3 levels deep within a topic. Under the appraisal method, an appraiser is hired to determine the true fair market value of a company's assets. Another foolish comment by Dennis. And yes, this would be where I tricked Dennis into giving an answer without all the facts. With Examples. From an income tax standpoint, in the non-charitable context, the courts have had a lot of trouble dealing with these coinsand whether or not a legal tender gold coin is "money" or "property other than money." Assume that the trustee is able to sell the bullion a few days later. It was very neutral. The term includes articles even if held for investment purposes and encompasses tangible property . Property taxes in America are collected by local governments and are usually based on the value of a property. PLR 9225036 is the only relevant guidance here. The fact is, however, the courts have repeatedly held that these coins are "property other than money. It makes me think of Sec 121 and the games that used to be played wherein taxpayer would exchange, say, investment land, for a rental property, then later convert the rental into a primary residence, and then sell the primary residence tax free under Sec 121. It includes furniture, fixtures, tools, machinery, signs, equipment, leasehold improvements, supplies, leased equipment and any other equipment used in a business. Is money considered tangible personal property? Clothing, vehicles, jewelry, and business equipment are examples of tangible personal property. If we play this all the way outall the way out to a point where the return gets examinedI can see the IRS taking Dennis' position. Tangible assets are physical and measurable assets that are used in a company's operations. However, some firearms fall within a safe harbor such as possession or transportation of weapons in a non-functioning condition and used in curios, antiques or as ornaments. You can touch it, move it and play it. Dennis is acting like he telling us something new, which he's not. Within the law, there are many categories of tangible property which may be considered for purposes of . Purchase gold coins, such as South African Krugerrands, Canadian Maple Leafs, or U.S. American Eagles. 120, par. Its price has more than doubled in just the last four. Often, a Will will leave all such tangibles to a spouse or to children. As mentioned, tangible personal property is anything that can be touched, moved or consumed, with the exception of real property (real estate) and intangible assets with a recognized value (stocks, bonds, patents and the like). An investor who purchased shares in a gold company in 2004 for one quarter its current price of $100,000 would owe $11,250 in capital gains tax if he were to sell that gold today. This is in contrast with intangible property, which cannot be physically touched and is not corporeal in nature. They didn't acquire any added value as "collector's items." What are tangible items in a will? An unreferenced PLR that was withdrawn and not published isnt any help. Just like we have similar language in the 1031 reg: Definition of like-kind. As used in section 1031(a), the words like kind have reference to the nature or character of the property and not to its grade or quality. (4) "Personal property" means property that is not real property. Sec. Give me a cite that speaks specifically to U.S. gold coins minted under the Reagan act. Your tangibles include your jewelry, clothing, furniture, books, and other household items. So then, your donation of a dime worth 15 cents (that you've held for over 1-year), since tangible personalty, will only produce a 10 cent tax deduction if the charity immediately sells the dime and doesn't put it to related use. I simply do not believe that the a U.S. gold coin, legal tender, is like a painting, when it comes to charitable deductions. In addition, the position described above is inconsistent with the reality that when sold the gain in Krugerrands (and other gold coins), gold bullion, and shares in ETFs that invest in gold bullion is taxed as if they are tangible personal property." But, the minute we move into Sec 170, the property type does matter. A fixed asset is a long-term tangible asset that a firm owns and uses to produce income and is not expected to be used or sold within a year. The latter, of course, doesas in satisfying an obligation with appreciated property ("property other than money," that is). He bought them strictly as a gold bullion investment, not as a collector. Paper assets that represent value, such as stock certificates, bonds, and franchises, are not tangible property. So far you have presented nothing. I dont think that theres an answer to this question other than the PLR, so if the FMV of the coins is more than cost, you might as well take the approach that best favors your client and deduct FMV. You ever dealt with a donation of non-numismatic coins? If its deemed to be tangible personal property, then you can just gift it via a separate list, without the need for witnesses or a notary. But if the 1031 exchange of bullion into coins is taxable, wouldn't the favorable tax treatment, on the donation, be offset by the unfavorable gain recognition on the 1031? Personal property comes in two forms. 31 USC 5103 specifically states that foreign coins are not considered legal tender in the U.S. the deduction is not limited to face value)? Contact us today or call862.307.8719. Often, these items are of relatively little monetary value, but of great sentimental worth. Usually this is not much of an issue, since there are no title documents for most of your personal effects, and your intended beneficiaries can just collect, disperse and/or sell the contents of your house. Sometimes, however, it isnt clear whether or not an item falls under the definition oftangible personal property. You persist in missing my point. Collectible long-term capital gains, such as the sale of physical investment in gold, are taxed at 28% rather than 15%. Personal property taxes may apply. And so far as the treatment of cash as tangible personal property note thatReg. However, if these items are reproduced without modification they are considered tangible personal property and subject to sales or use tax. So, not sure why you think the charity is taking your position. In effect, there is a three year holding period for tangible personal property valued over $5,000 that is claimed to be used for a related use. Rul. According to the IRS, tangible personal property is any sort of property that can be touched or moved. "However, the IRS apparently was ready to reverse its position in a later PLR that was withdrawn because the taxpayer died. Therefore, sales of such coins for delivery in Massachusetts are subject to the Massachusetts sales or use tax. 2. Working with an adviser may come with potential downsides such as payment of fees (which will reduce returns). A statement by someone who authored an article? 5739.01(DDD). Holding period might matter as well. For charitable purposes, if treated as "money," the deduction would be 10 cents. If you want to see the fallacy of "more akin to appreciated stock" check out the treatment of a donation of units in a publicly traded ETF holding gold bullion. Depreciable property is an asset that is eligible for depreciation treatment in accordance with IRS rules. Definitions. This is contrasted with intangible personal property, which includes stocks, bonds, and intellectual property like copyrights and patents. When you sell personal-use property, such as cars and boats, in most cases you do not end up with a capital gain. Since when is "personalty" defined by "holding purpose?" When the charity in question calls the donation "like kind" property the statement has no meaning. This is contrasted with intangible personal property, which includes stocks, bonds, and intellectual property like copyrights and patents. Any other tangible personal property that the IRS determines is a "collectible" under IRC Section 408 (m). Note, by the way, that under this position, a holder of gold bullion can exchange it for coins under 1031 and get favorable tax treatment. Tangible personal property is a tax term describing personal property that can be physically relocated, such as furniture and office equipment. Since the value of the coins is more than $5,000 and the donation is not based on the coins face amount but rather their precious metal value, the client must get a qualified appraisal. In most places there is a sales tax added to the purchase of your 12 cent dime. Items that are considered tangible personal property can be depreciated over five or seven years using the straight-line depreciation method. Anyway, I get it. One of the many reasons a person creates a Will is to specify who is to receive or what should happen with their tangible personal property when they die. Janet Berry-Johnson is a CPA with 10 years of experience in public accounting and writes about income taxes and small business accounting. Gold is one asset that has appreciated steadily and substantially for the last ten years, attracting many investors along the way. But another purpose in executing a living trust is usually to reduce the possibilities for disputes among your family members. Argument can be made that they're "money" under the tax code, since case law brings up "circulating" as a critical distinction between "money" and "property other than money." I fail to see the logic in assuming the language "coins not held primarily as a medium of exchange" has relevance only to rare coins when that same language is widely used to apply to all precious metal coins. Chris writes: Go find a charity that will take your position. If so, that might bolster my position, maybeIt would be ludicrous to think that corp could convert cash to gold coins and take an ITC on the coins, only because they were later spent by the businesson anything. The Endangered Species Act of 1973 , The African Elephant Conservation Act of 1989, the Convention on International Trade in Endangered Species of Wild Fauna & Flora are some examples of federal law and treaties that govern the possession of these unique items. Without all the facts and complex a year ago, give or take talk! 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